Congratulations Barry Bonds

[Jeremy]

HGH is naturally occurring in everyones body.  Some people have lower levels then others.  So, they shouldnt be able to take HGH?

nope, because its not naturally produced by their body.  Anything you add is not natural. End of story.

But its not fair.  Remember, it has to be fair. 

fair is using what has been given to you.  If someone elses endocrine system produces .000000000001ml more testosterone, good for them.

So, that person shouldnt have any complaints if the other guy is getting .000000000001ml of testosterone from a shot. 

how do you figure?  I fail to see your point of view here.  If you inject ANYTHING into your body that your own body does not produce that will enhance your performance, its cheating.  Amounts do not matter.

But everyones body produces HGH.  How is it fair that one guy can have more HGH then the other guy?

its called natural genetics.  How is it fair that you have red hair, or that I'm 6'1" and you're not? 

If i have the chance to make things equal, why cant i?

[Pete]

HGH is naturally occurring in everyones body.  Some people have lower levels then others.  So, they shouldnt be able to take HGH?

nope, because its not naturally produced by their body.  Anything you add is not natural. End of story.

But its not fair.  Remember, it has to be fair. 

fair is using what has been given to you.  If someone elses endocrine system produces .000000000001ml more testosterone, good for them.

So, that person shouldnt have any complaints if the other guy is getting .000000000001ml of testosterone from a shot. 

how do you figure?  I fail to see your point of view here.  If you inject ANYTHING into your body that your own body does not produce that will enhance your performance, its cheating.  Amounts do not matter.

But everyones body produces HGH.  How is it fair that one guy can have more HGH then the other guy?

its called natural genetics.  How is it fair that you have red hair, or that I'm 6'1" and you're not? 

If i have the chance to make things equal, why cant i?

because its not equal.

[ClintusMaximus]

HGH is naturally occurring in everyones body.  Some people have lower levels then others.  So, they shouldnt be able to take HGH?

nope, because its not naturally produced by their body.  Anything you add is not natural. End of story.

But its not fair.  Remember, it has to be fair. 

fair is using what has been given to you.  If someone elses endocrine system produces .000000000001ml more testosterone, good for them.

So, that person shouldnt have any complaints if the other guy is getting .000000000001ml of testosterone from a shot. 

how do you figure?  I fail to see your point of view here.  If you inject ANYTHING into your body that your own body does not produce that will enhance your performance, its cheating.  Amounts do not matter.

How about caffieine?  Can you have caffeine?  It's not natural and it helps performance.  How about pain killers?  Again, not natural and helps performance?  What about protein?  It's not a necessity to our body, but we all eat it, and added to the right training, it increases performance, muscles, etc.

If we're talking about foods, and it's fine to eat foods, etc, at what point do regulate foods?  Is creatine ok?  Our body produces creatine and it's in food too... meats, etc. 

What about lasik?  Should that be illegal?  That would be natural enhancing your eyes... seems to me that's unfair too?  Lasik is legal.......

[ClintusMaximus]

BTW -- all of those side effects that you noted about HGH... if you get them, they ALL go away when you're not on it.  AND...... those sides are typically not present at normal doses, the doses that a baseball player would take.

I'm waiting for "but those shouldn't be there" and yes, they shouldn't, but not everyone experiences them... in fact, most don't experience ANY.

On that subject, there are people that react to dairy poorly, to peanuts poorly, to fish poorly... that doesn't mean they're bad, does it?  Side effects are side effects... and everyone reacts differently to just about everything that's put into their body.  Some people are insulin sensitive and handles carbs differently...

[Jeremy]

BTW -- all of those side effects that you noted about HGH... if you get them, they ALL go away when you're not on it.  AND...... those sides are typically not present at normal doses, the doses that a baseball player would take.

I'm waiting for "but those shouldn't be there" and yes, they shouldn't, but not everyone experiences them... in fact, most don't experience ANY.

On that subject, there are people that react to dairy poorly, to peanuts poorly, to fish poorly... that doesn't mean they're bad, does it?  Side effects are side effects... and everyone reacts differently to just about everything that's put into their body.  Some people are insulin sensitive and handles carbs differently...

Werd.

[Pete]

hey, I found a Barry Bonds rookie card in my collection last night

[Curt]

  HAHA, Im jsut throwing my $.02 in, personally i cant stand bonds. Bonds, McGuire, and sosa should all be limited in the records. Look back at one of Bonds earliy career cards, hes a normal joe blow baseball player, now hes got pythons the size of my leg! something not right in there, and now the record books are tainted because of it. I still love baseball, especiually Tigers, and not just because they are winning some games, but the last 10 years the game is starting to get discombobulated.

[Jeremy]

HAHA, Im jsut throwing my $.02 in, personally i cant stand bonds. Bonds, McGuire, and sosa should all be limited in the records. Look back at one of Bonds earliy career cards, hes a normal joe blow baseball player, now hes got pythons the size of my leg! something not right in there, and now the record books are tainted because of it. I still love baseball, especiually Tigers, and not just because they are winning some games, but the last 10 years the game is starting to get discombobulated.

That makes sense....if you believe that nobody can get bigger from the time they are 20 years old?  I guess there is no point in lifting weights past your early 20s.

Tiger woods has put on 30lbs of pure muscle since he became a professional 10 years ago.  I guess someone better check him for roids!

[Curt]

damn right he betta be checked, make sure his club isnt corked either;)

[ELake]

I've heard that Woods' additional muscle mass has actually hurt his long ball... I think he has compensated for it though this was a couple years ago

[Jen]

HGH is naturally occurring in everyones body.  Some people have lower levels then others.  So, they shouldnt be able to take HGH?

nope, because its not naturally produced by their body.  Anything you add is not natural. End of story.

But its not fair.  Remember, it has to be fair. 

fair is using what has been given to you.  If someone elses endocrine system produces .000000000001ml more testosterone, good for them.

So, that person shouldnt have any complaints if the other guy is getting .000000000001ml of testosterone from a shot. 

how do you figure?  I fail to see your point of view here.  If you inject ANYTHING into your body that your own body does not produce that will enhance your performance, its cheating.  Amounts do not matter.

  What about protein?  It's not a necessity to our body, but we all eat it, and added to the right training, it increases performance, muscles, etc.

Just to interject here, protein is completely a necessity to our body. Its one of the 6 nutrients essential to life- protein, carbs, fats, vitamins, minerals and water.

[ClintusMaximus]

HGH is naturally occurring in everyones body.  Some people have lower levels then others.  So, they shouldnt be able to take HGH?

nope, because its not naturally produced by their body.  Anything you add is not natural. End of story.

But its not fair.  Remember, it has to be fair. 

fair is using what has been given to you.  If someone elses endocrine system produces .000000000001ml more testosterone, good for them.

So, that person shouldnt have any complaints if the other guy is getting .000000000001ml of testosterone from a shot. 

how do you figure?  I fail to see your point of view here.  If you inject ANYTHING into your body that your own body does not produce that will enhance your performance, its cheating.  Amounts do not matter.

  What about protein?  It's not a necessity to our body, but we all eat it, and added to the right training, it increases performance, muscles, etc.

Just to interject here, protein is completely a necessity to our body. Its one of the 6 nutrients essential to life- protein, carbs, fats, vitamins, minerals and water.

Bahahahah, I missed that.  yeah protein, when they ban protein we'll have to stop eating.  and creatine, can't wait until that gets banned.... guess I won't be able to eat steak anymore.

let us do what we want with our bodies and leave us alone.  btw -- the record books tainted?  with everything that's banned these days, I guarantee that you could take quite a few records of the guys from the 60-80s and throw their records out the door.  wait wait, there was less teams in the league from the 20-60s... that's not even either, throw those records out too.... oh shit.... the wood was different before that.... can't count that either....