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« on: September 21, 2009, 12:14:00 PM »

Sean and I headed out again with a great forecast for great weather!  It was definitely that- almost a little too hot at times.  We knew with the forecast, we wanted to get out for the weekend, so we decided we were going- we just werent too sure where though.  Sean had been on a 3 day (Wed-Fri) up in an area called the Enchantments with a retired friend of ours, so it would be a quick turn for him to get back out with me on Saturday morning.  I got ahold of him Friday afternoon finally and I said- I dont care where we go- I just maybe want to have a campfire at night.  OK I know- lets head to Norse Peak wilderness.  Lots of places to camp, and fires are allowed.

So we were set.  An important note to make.  Sean had borrowed my titanium pot to take on his trip because all his gear is back in Montana.  I typically always pack my stove, fuel, and windscreen inside that pot...more on that later....  I decided I wanted to try out one of my smaller packs to take on an overnight trip.  This got my weight down to about 17-18# with everything.  I used to be nearly double that for an equal trip!  The advances in gear the past few years is amazing.  Lighter fabrics.  Better insulating materials.  Better designs.  All have led to great reductions in weight.  But there is also quite a bit of planning and maybe even some trade-off.  The biggest thing to do is to come back from a trip and separate your gear into two piles.  One pile- stuff you used.  The other pile- stuff you did not use.  The stuff you did not use- you need to think about justification on bringing it.  Did you not use it because the weather was nice and you didnt need that extra layer?  Did you not use that extra layer because you planned poorly- not noting it would be 80* during the day or did the forecast not play out as planned.  The other sometimes not as obvious thing to look at is- can you find gear that can pull double duty?  Do you need to carry an insulated thermal mug AND a Nalgene water bottle?  The Nalgene works just great as a mug at night to make tea in- so no need to carry it....you just saved 8 or 10 ounces.  Sometimes the war is about pounds, but battles are won with ounces!!!! LOL  Places like REI and the like thrive on selling you every conceivable piece of crap gadget, gidget, or some other unnecessary thing to lug up the hill.  To counter that there is an emerging cottage industry of ultralight weight gear manufacturers showing promising gear that is not only very useful but doesnt sacrifice comfort.

So back about the trip.  We had the area we were going to head into- not really any solid itinerary of where we had to be or how many miles.  The trail up to the "top" to the 1st trail junction- was around 3.6 miles and about 2000 foot elevation gain.  Nice trail thru the woods- eventually coming out into the alpine.  Near the junction we were overtook by a guy and his two daughters on mules.  The area is open to stock and is fairly well used.  Some idle chatter led to Sean asking the guy if he has seen much wildlife.  His reply was "there's no wildlife in this area, I havent seen much in the past 10 years".  Oh wow- ok, thats pretty bad then.  Well this was said as I was nearly standing in a pile of coyote scat. LOL

We hiked the remainder up the trail to the junction, took a break, and looked at the map to decide what we wanted to do.  We decided we would head over to Goat Lake, thru that basin and onto the PCT at Barnard Saddle.

Me entering Goat Lake basin


Looking down at Goat Lake.  


As we cross the Basin, we see tons and tons of animal sign.  Tracks and trails everywhere...goats, deer, elk tracks...bear scat...coyote scat.  So we jokingly start to say- YEP, no wildlife in this area.  Hasnt been anything in here in 10 years now.....We trudged along thru the basin, thru Barnard Saddle, and into Big Crow Basin.  At this point we started thinking about where we wanted to camp.  We were a tad surprised by how dry it was.  Usually its not too hard to find a decent water source up high, but we werent seeing a whole lot.  We then decided to press on a mile or two further onto Lake Basin.

I dont have a good picture of it- but we came down from a ridge on the left into the Lake.


Right away we saw these guys....


Yep, no wildlife in this area.  We hunted around and found where we wanted to camp.


Then it was time to go stalk the goats!


Got some good pix of this nannie


And her kid


We got busted by this guy and they took off.  We were only about 40 feet away


Headed further up to the top of the peak above our camp.  We are camped in the trees in the upper right of the lake.  You can also make out the ridge we came cross country down to the lake.  Its easy going in this area with the trees spaced like they are.


Ive a couple more pix to download- of the Elk.  Of course there is no wildlife in this area.  None.  Sean and I were sitting around, doing a little firewood gathering, and the elk started to bugle.  And they were close.  So up and off we went to stalk the elk.  Sean got really close- like 20 feet close of a couple little dummies, but finally a mature cow came in and busted him.  The elk were bugling all night long- sometimes very close to camp.  So remember the story about the pot and the stove.  Yeah well, I forgot the stove.  My new water purification system was running low on salt- so we were in a little bit of a pickle.  I had enough water to make it out the next day, but we needed some water for dinner, tea, and stuff.  So thankfully as noted we decided to go where we could have fires, because we wound boiling water....

Grog make FIRE!!!!!


A great night of rest and some breakfast, we hit the trail to head out.  We headed out a different direction, up to Scout Pass, with plans to get up to the top of Norse Peak.  Its an easy walk-up.  We had seen the goats grazing their way across the top of the basin over under Norse Peak.  Thinking they had continued further past the peak, we didnt think much of it.  We met a group of about 8 horse hunters coming in to camp for the 1st week of bow season for elk.  We then gained the Pass and headed up the faint trail towards the top of Norse Peak.  As we neared the top we heard a good clamor.  The herd of goats must have been in the trees on the other side of the Pass and wanted back.  Because soon as it was clear- they took off.  Some 34 goats now!!!!  Yep, no wildlife in this area.



We made it to the top of Norse to the terrible views of Rainier.


We headed down after a brief break at the top and made really good time back to the car.  I learned a heavier pack itself isnt always bad, as with it comes a better suspension system.  There was a good 4 pound difference in pack weights- but my heavier Dana pack is much more comfortable.  Thats part of the game with going light- trying to figure out where the fine line is between taking the weight penalty or being miserable.  All in all we did around 15 miles this trip, with some good elevation gain and drop.  Found tons of wildlife to watch.  Hoping to get out for one more overnight trip, maybe two, and one or two more day hikes!








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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 12:40:14 PM »

no wildlife...riiiiiiiight!
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 01:50:08 PM »

Nice trip and pictures!  You've definitely been getting your dosage of fresh air lately.  It's interesting reading about how much of a science it is to pack your gear efficiently and figuring out exactly what you need. 

Doesn't the average us soldier hauls over 100lbs of gear?  I thought I heard that on some video that was demonstrating a robotic dog for the Army that would carry ammo, etc.  I'm sure when you're heading up those hills that a couple ounces and pounds makes a big difference.  I went biking yesterday with a full 2.0l camelback and it felt like I had a little kid on the back of me.

Was this the guy who told you there was no wildlife in the area?

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 02:26:29 PM »

LMAO thats awesome...

The gear thing is interesting....its something that you perfect over a period of time or over a few trips.  1st trip I went on I was sorting and resorting my gear numerous times...I had gone thru and bought some new stuff oh about 4-5 years ago.  A new Ti pot, a smaller lighter stove, smaller lighter water filter...but still had a heavy sleeping bag (relatively speaking), a big sleeping pad...and a few too many gadgets.  I remember a couple trips way back I went on that I didnt even take any climbing gear with me and I was over 60#.  When you are 24-25 years old, so what...but these old knees of mine appreciate the lighter weight.  I bought a new bag, new pad, some other stuff and dropped quite a bit of weight.  My base gear - with no tent, but I normally dont take one unless the weather forecast is iffy, and then again I probably wont go- is around 11#.  Thats without food or water.  I carry around a liter of water typically (2#) and carry about 2# of food for two days.  My pack weighs 7#.  Thats the funny thing that the pack nearly weighs as much as whats going in it.  I think a new pack may in order for next year...one Im looking at weighs just over 2 pounds.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 04:39:10 PM »

For staying out overnight and all, any special preparations for bears or whatnot? I was going to ask if either of you carry a firearm for whatever reason but i guess that wouldnt be too weight friendly. What would you say your comfortable limit is for miles-per-day?
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 08:16:41 AM »

We have bears- but typically they arent an issue like they are at say Yellowstone.  Part of it is the black bear v. grizzly issue.  Sean is well versed in dealing with grizzlys from Yellowstone and its a whole different way of doing things.  Out here youd hang your food in a tree and that usually is more than enough.  Many places I go I dont even bother with that.  However where there are grizzlys, its like a whole protocol to follow.  You eat and cook in a separate place away from your tent.  Some people have clothes they eat in, and clothes they sleep in.  Anything that has had food in it is kept away from the sleeping area- including your pack typically.  You want to sleep in a tent even if the weather is nice because a bear cant quite figure its just nylon between you and then and sometimes that can be enough of a psychological barrier that they wont go after whatever.  The National Parks have regulations concerning firearms- which will be greatly changed come February- but for the most part you cant carry in the NP's right now.  So you carry a big assed can of pepper spray instead.  Sean does carry a pistol when we are in the National Forest or Wilderness areas.

Mileage....well thats a tough one to call.  A thousand foot gain a mile trail, Id probably only want to do around 5 miles LOL...something with a fairly moderate grade like the PCT- Id do 10 miles a day easy....maybe even 15 miles.  Id say in general Im at about 10 miles a day max.  We did like 7 miles in with around 2500 ft gain in the 1st 4 miles...then fairly flat and that was an easy day.  Thats why we scrambled around chasing elk and goats.  That added probably another 2 miles and another 1000 ft gain....Typically we average about 2 miles per hour going uphill, close to 3 miles per hour on the flat, and almost 4 miles per hour going downhill....I dont like hiking continuous for more than about 5 hours....So split it up, say 5 hours in the morning from 8AM to 1PM(~10 miles)...take a couple hour break at camp, Im good to go do 4 or so miles after that....
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 04:16:25 PM »

What is changing in February as far as firearms? Sounds similar to the conditions in PA as far as the black bears. So grizzlys are pretty rare there?
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 07:39:57 PM »

What is changing in February as far as firearms? Sounds similar to the conditions in PA as far as the black bears. So grizzlys are pretty rare there?

people with carry permits are allowed to carry in National Parks, a huge win for the gun lobby.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 08:19:49 AM »

There are some up north along the Canadian border...but as a rule they are extremely rare here in Washington.
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